and romney and the romney campaign has talked about increasing the eligibility age, and they've talked about means testing as well. they're not making it conditional. >> and on the other side, you know, democrats are saying we're not going to talk about raising the retirement age of social security or medicare until you guys say you're going to raise taxes. and tom, you make a great point. they are two separate issues. and they're two separate issues because even if you raise taxes to 90% on the rich, social security and medicare are still going under. republicans, on the other side -- it is about cutting -- the republicans on the other side won't talk about raising taxes. and so we have this standoff. and everybody's staring at each other, and nobody will come on tv and tell the truth. we've got to do everything. >> it's that standoff and those issues that so frustrate the country. a lot of people don't want to give up anything they've got right now, and for good reason in some instances because of their income levels and the kind of conditions in which they live. but others are willi